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[beanside]

I have nothing to add to the current wank debate, except:

Misogyny: a hatred of women

Sexism: 1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially discrimination against women
2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

Words. Ur doing them wrong.

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[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

And it's not like a mistrust of women would mean he was sexist or mysogynistic, either.

I'm neither and *I* wouldn't want Jo *as she was at that time* to be the one having to save my ass. She was inexperienced and scrawny, and there *are* times when maturity and physicality *do* matter. It doesn't mean you're inferior, or that Dean (or I) think you are, you're just not trained enough or brawny enough, period. Give her a good mentor (male or female!) for a few years and let her build up some arm/back/thigh muscles and we'll see.

How is acknowledging the realities of the situation either sexist or mysogynistic?

I keep pointing out that it's only either if we see Dean (or any of the guys) treating men *better*. Does he/do they automatically treat men better, *because* they're male; or do they treat all bad guys like enemies, with appropriately abusive language meant to get a rise out of them, regardless of gender?

If a woman was trying to hurt or kill *me*, I'd sure as hell call her a bitch and that doesn't mean any -ism at all.

[ladykatiewench.livejournal.com]

Exactly! Dean seems to be an equal opportunity hater! Other than a short period of time where he was friends with Gordon, every other person who he trusts has to prove themselves worthy of that trust. And even then, he'll still have problems from time to time.

It isn't until Ash shows that he actually knows what he's doing that Dean trusts him with anything (or treats him with anything other than thinly veiled mockery). But take Ellen for instance...at first he is rude and untrusting. But we are also dealing with the Dean who then goes and beats the hell outta the impala over the death of his father. But when it comes down to it, at the end of that season, he is both figuratively and literally standing next to her in the graveyard. When she first shows up, he and Bobby hug her very close. They were both obviously concerned over the possibility of her death and very relieved that she wasn't dead.

It's wrong to judge his actions towards an individual without taking anything other than gender into account. Other than the single mistake with Gordon (and he had corrected that mistake by the end of the episode), he treats all "newcomers" the same way, that is, people he didn't know pre-series. And really, the only *real* exceptions to this are women who he thinks would be good for Sam. He opens up further to Madison than to many others, trusting her enough to let Sam help her to stay alive.

And I think you are right with the language. In fact, I think it says more about the culture WE live in that the only bad words that can slip onto TV are variations of the word "bitch." We've seen with the bleeping out in Ghostfacers that Dean would be just fine using stronger words if the show could get away with it. But nope. It's either calling a woman a "bitch" or calling a guy a "son of a bitch." And I think that it is interesting that the writers kinda pointed out that problem. Gordon hits Dean when he calls him a son of a bitch, because Dean is insulting Gordon's mother. And then, in Ghostfacers, non-"bitch" curses were used a lot more than "bitch" curses/insults. They can't have the characters break the fourth wall and tell us exactly why they use the language, but they've tried to show us.